So again… Today I get the pleasure of introducing you to and interviewing this guy ——————————————————————->> His name is Jay Heyman. He’s an author (find my review of his book, All You Need Is A Good Idea here), and a blogger, but more importantly: he’s an idea guy. I love idea guys!
Here’s the link to part 1 if you missed it.
On to the rest of my questions…
Jay, your book is really designed for people who can’t afford the big ad agency? Do you think the big firms will feel threatened?
No. If you have read my book and now actually see what constitutes a good idea, you will know the questions, both creative and strategic, you should ask of your agency when they present their work to you. Agencies will work even harder, knowing you will not accept less than their best work. As O. Burtch Drake, president and CEO, American Association of Advertising Agencies (1994–2008) said, “Anyone working in advertising today—from the mailroom to the boardroom—should buy Jay’s fantastic new book. Chock-full of illuminating case histories and real-world advice on how to hone and unleash the creative voice from within.” (And yes, I am blushing.)
I think your book really translates across markets – I see this benefiting a small business owner or a church pastor or a advertising veteran – have you found that to be true?
Yes. (Hey, I’m not getting paid by the word.)
Let me take a little more of a personal turn… If you had a child who was trying to break into the advertising/marketing industry where would you tell them to begin?
I do have a child. Two in fact. And I would, and do, tell them this, cliché though it may be. Whatever you decide to do in your career, if you make it something you love doing, you will never work a day in your life. For advertising/marketing, take some courses and see if it is something you really enjoy. More specifically, what part of the marketing communication process do you enjoy most. If their desire is to be in the media department, or research, or to become an account executive, I would point out that they should follow whatever dream they choose. I would also point out that they have broken my heart, and that my next creative assignment will be the re-writing of my will.
What qualities or skills would you suggest this newbie develop?
Ask more questions. Care about people. Go with your gut. Be curious about everything. Read books. Read magazine. Read graphic comics. Read blogs. Read anything and everything.
What made you decide you wanted to do this for a living? How did you get started?
I have always liked words, plays on words and clever ideas in general. I think the die was cast way back in grammar school, when a student running for class president asked me to write his campaign slogans. (I still remember one of them. “The bell’s for the teacher. And we’re for Steve.”) He lost, but I was hooked. Though now I try to get paid for my ideas.
How does someone trying to get a job in marketing/advertising separate themselves today? This economic market is brutal and jobs aren’t exactly plentiful…
Like everyone else in that tough situation, network at every opportunity. Put together a portfolio to show the quality of your ideas. Don’t be different for the sake of being different. Join advertising clubs. Use social media. When I started out it was difficult also. They wouldn’t hire anyone without experience, yet how do you get experience if no one will hire you? Somehow, it happens.
Is it as hard to find and keep a job at the entry level (of marketing/advertising) as it is at the top?
As with most careers, the path is shaped like a pyramid, more room at the bottom, and as you move up towards the apex (do pyramids have an apex?), there are fewer and fewer places available. For the most part, entry-level positions have lower salary requirements so there would tend to be more positions available. Today, unfortunately, unemployed but experienced people are competing for the entry level positions that are available, so it is definitely more difficult.
Finally, what’s your favorite part of the idea process? What do you enjoy the most?
After more years in the business than I care to mention, my favorite part is what it always has been—creating the ideas. It is the thrill of creating a group of ideas, polishing, rewording, discarding, and then seeing what you know is the solution to a client’s problem pop up on the computer screen.
I still remember, as one brief example, developing ideas for New York’s Stage Deli. The strategy was to convince a tourist that though the sandwiches were indeed expensive, they did provide terrific value given their huge size. I was writing, and writing, and all of a sudden, the visual of an outsized Stage Deli sandwich jumped into my mind, complete with the only line of copy necessary: “REMINDER: PLEASE BEND KNEES WHEN LIFTING.”
It made me smile then. It makes me smile now. And amazingly, that is often the indication of a good idea.
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